Santa Ana River Trail Community Forum


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We are working to develop a community forum which Santa Ana River Trail users can  use to express your thoughts and ideas. We envision the community forum as a social networking connecting individuals who use the Santa Ana River Trail for commuting, pleasure and recreation.  Perhaps, you are looking for a walking partner or want someone to bicycle with?  The forum will help you connect to others in the community. 



New Orange County Loop to Create 66 Miles of Seamless Bikeways

OCTA is working with transportation officials in cities along the OC Loop to create 66 miles of seamless bikeway and pedestrian connections across Orange County – from La Habra to Seal Beach, Huntington Beach to Yorba Linda.

About 650,000 residents live within a mile of the OC Loop, which provides a convenient path to some of the region’s most popular destinations such as beaches and parks. It also provides commuters with connections to many bus stops and three Metrolink stations, as well as major employment centers.

The loop is about 70 percent complete and being used by thousands of people. The OC Loop connects 17 cities, 200 parks and 180 schools in Orange County.

The county of Orange is working with cities along the loop on a feasibility study to close the remaining gaps. Nearly 46 miles of the loop are off-street trails along the San Gabriel River, Coyote Creek, Santa Ana River and the Coastal Beach Trail.

For more information, visit www.octa.net/OCLoop.


Santa Ana River Bicycle Trail 10 MPH Speed Limit


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From Jennifer M.

I can only assume that the 10 MPH limit is due to walkers. I not only bike on this path, but I frequently walk my dogs on it, so I do see both sides. It is a simple matter of walking to the right side, allowing cyclists to maneuver around me and the dogs. I’ve never had an issue when I am walking my dogs as long as I stay on the correct side, as indicated by the lines on the path. If I can do it with 2 big dogs, parents with kids, walkers etc. should be required to do the same. Yes, cyclists sometimes speed by me, but there is plenty of room for them to do it safely. The most frequent problem is people who walk in the middle of the lane and pay no attention. I’ve put a silly bell on my bike to alert people and they still don’t move to one side. And again, I am not Lance Armstrong so people are alerted with plenty of time. Please don’t penalize me for using a bike path to bike because others can’t follow instructions. The vast majority of users on this path are indeed bikers- there are very few places to go that do not put you on a roadway. Conversely, there are a vast number of parks out there where someone can take a leisurely stroll OR bike ride.


There are a few areas where visibility is limited and speed limits in those areas do make sense. I understand that the signs have been made, but I am willing to bet biking enthusiasts, including myself, would contribute the funds to correct the speed limit on the signs.

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From Heather

I am not a "cyclist". I have a 7 speed beach cruiser. However, even I think your new rules regarding the bike trail are ridiculous. Why would you take away one of the best, safest, trails that bikers have by imposing such a low speed limit? It really makes no sense. You actually state you are trying to keep commuters and real cyclists off the bike trial! Huh?! Because we don't need to worry about "green" commuting anymore? Because this is called an "everybody BUT bikers" trail? Did I miss something? This is normally one of the most progressive states, but I feel like I've entered the Twilight Zone after reading the new rules. Thank you for your new suggestions, but I assure you if I see a cyclist on the trail doing more than 10mph I won't be reporting them. However, I will keep to the right so they can pass me safely. I still have MY common sense, which is more than I can say for others.

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From Russell

I am an occasional user of the Santa Ana River Trail. I live in Redlands and about once a year, I ride the 150 mile round trip to Huntington Beach and return - why? because it is such a beautiful pathway!


Regarding the new speed limit. It's not actually possible for me to complete the 150 mile ride at a maximum speed of 10 mph. Clearly if my maximum was 10, my average would be somewhat below that, let's say 9 mph. This would imply my journey would take approximately 17 hours to complete. This means I would arrive at Huntington Beach at about 3.30pm. But, during the months of November to February (the best and coolest time to do this ride) the new SART trail hours are 7am - 6pm. That would leave me just 2.5 hours to get home. I doubt that even Lance Armstrong could achieve that, let alone someone averaging 9 mph. As you can see, the two restrictions - maximum speed and trail opening hours conspire to prevent me from ever doing this beautiful ride again. That's a pity in my book. I respectfully request that you remove the 10 mph speed limit, in order to allow long distance cyclists safe passage through Orange County.

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From Corvete T

I completely oppose of the limit, one of the reasons i dont frequently ride the beaches anymore, the 10mph speed limit is bogus. It gives the pedestrians false confidence to stand/walk in the middle of the bike path while bicycles are riding thru...which is very unsafe for both parties, not just the pedestrians. Even at 10mph.


Like the Long Beach bike trail along the beach, maybe there should be a lane specific for pedestrians on one side of the bike trail, and encourage them to stay there, for the safety of both cyclist and pedestrian. And if possible add some lights on the path...some people don’t have time to ride in day light. thanks!

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To whom it may concern,

This email is in regards to the speed limit posted on the Santa Ana BIKE trail. As indicated on your own website, this is a bike trail. Why on earth would you post a ridiculous speed limit of 10 MPH on a bike trail? This is a difficult speed to maintain, and frankly defeats the purpose of biking either for exercise or for commuting. This is a very hilly area, and it is sometimes necessary to get a little speed up to get up the next hill. With so much emphasis on finding alternate solutions to the traffic problems facing our region, it seems a little odd to post a 10 MPH limit. I commute from Anaheim to Green River by bike on this trail a few times a week and I am not exactly speedy- but I beat the traffic on the 91 every time. If I had to slow down to 10 MPH I might as well

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From Jennifer

I am both saddened and outraged at the new speed limit for bikes on the SART. It is utterly amazing to me that a decision was made, in essence, to ban cyclists from riding their bikes on the "bike trail". Imposing a 10 mph speed limit forces pretty much anyone on anything other than a beach cruiser off the trail. Our club annually does the Ride of Silence, to both honor those who have been injured or killed on a bike and to bring awareness to motorists of cyclists on the road. We ride for ten miles at 10 mph and, let me tell you, it's one of the hardest rides I do! It's HARD to go only 10 mph on a road bike! And this year we didn't even actually do 10 mph. It was more like 13. We were riding ridiculously slow and would have been "speeding" had we been on the SART.


I understand if there have been safety issues with cyclists flying down the trail, but I don't believe a 10 mph speed limit is a reasonable way to handle the problem. One of our club members was killed on our local bike trail riding at a very slow to moderate speed, simply because a little kid on a bike swerved in front of him. The cyclist's speed didn't kill him. A lack of understanding on others' part as to how to properly share and use a bike path killed him. Our bike path is relatively short and loaded with stop lights every block, unlike the Santa Ana River Trail, which is a cyclists dream. It's one of the few places a cyclist "used" to be able to go and ride for miles without dodging cars or stopping at red lights and stops signs.


I believe a more reasonable way to handle the issue of safety is to create rules regarding walkers, joggers and slower riders staying to the right. Maybe even give them their own "lane", if that's possible. Educate the public. Tell parents to teach their kids about safety on the bike path. I think that just because they're not on a road with cars, they feel a false sense of security and assume it's all safe to dawdle around at their leisure, swerving all over the path in both lanes, never conscious of the fact that someone might be trying to get around them at a faster speed, even if only a few miles an hour faster. Contact cycling clubs and encourage them to educate their members as to their responsibilities on the trail ... and to remind them often.


A "SART License" could even be imposed for anyone who wishes to ride more than 10 mph. That might sound silly, but I don't think it's any sillier than the current speed limit. If cyclists were forced to go to some class, or watch a video on the internet or simply read information and take a test on SART rules and regulations and their responsibilities on the trail, maybe the trail would be a safer place. I don't know how this would be enforced, but I also don't know how the 10 mph speed limit is going to be enforced. But if someone were riding dangerously, and there were someone to somehow stop them, they could ask to see their SART license and, if they don't have one, escort them off the trail. Just an idea. Maybe their "license" could be in the form of a brightly colored bracelet that can be easily seen. If they have a bracelet, they can go more than 10 mph, if not, they can't. There are a number of ways something can be displayed on a cyclist or their bike to indicate they have taken a test and know the rules of the trail.


I have had some epic rides on the Santa Ana River Trail, both as a child and as an adult. I would hate to think that I really can't experience another one ever again. And for me, an "epic" ride does not happen at 10 mph.

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From Michael

Please tell me the rumor of setting a speed limit for bicyclists is not true. Some people are saying it'll be 10 mph. At such a slow speed a bicycle is even harder to control. Most of us ride the SART because it's one of the few places that is safe. Taking us off the SART would result in far more accidents with cars. Please take this into consideration before you make such as drastic move. The SART was built with bicyclists in mind.

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From: John

This speed limit and the time restrictions make the trial unusable for a large number of cyclists, especially disabled cyclists. Cars have a huge network of roadways, and pedestrians/joggers have a sidewalk system almost as large as the road system for cars. There are very few dedicated cycle routes available for cyclists to use for commuting and/or recreation – a tiny fraction of the paved surfaces available to pedestrians and cars - and this regulation has just eliminated one of the longest and most used routes. Cycling commuters are being actively discouraged in Orange county, despite all the Global Warming posturing by politicians. Cycle lanes are all closed at the same time for repairs that last months, and marked detours are randomly directed into areas of high crime, heavy traffic, or poor road conditions, if detours are provided at all. This latest policy is a blanket "solution" to addressing any problems which may have inspired this action. It is probably not ADA compliant, at least for disabled cyclists who use this trail for commuting. And it will likely result in an increase of on-street cycle/car accidents if it is obeyed by cyclists.


If there is a problem with cycling clubs or individuals riding in a reckless manner, then it is the same problem as the parents taking their first-bike toddlers onto the trail on weekends and failing to keep them on their side of the road. It is the same problem as failing to deal with irresponsible joggers who run down the centerline of the trail with headphones and yield to nobody. It is the same problem as use of the trail for illegal activities such as trick skateboarding at underpass slopes or motorized scooters. And it is the same problem as the pedestrians wandering across the trail and changing direction or stopping without warning, usually while on the phone. No enforcement action is taken against these groups for their dangerous activities, so reasonable cyclists are going to conclude that no action will be taken at them if they choose to ride at a speed where they won't fall off the bike because lower momentum and gyroscopic effect at 10mph will make them less stable.


You have not solved anything with this policy, you have just criminalized another segment of the population in the name of expediency and cost savings. Signs don't solve any of the above problems, just create new ones - but signs are cheap (and ignored).

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From: Mark

This e-mail is to voice my displeasure over the new speed limit put in place on the SART.

I think you will find that most cyclists are displeased with this speed limit because it is ridiculously slow, even for a beginner! I fully understand the need to promote safety on the trail, but safety should be emphasized to everybody. Please allow me to make a few suggestions.

I can see speed limits at some key places. High traffic areas like restrooms and parks, I can see the need to slow down. Wide open areas where there are long straights with high visibility need to have higher, or no limits.

Users need to be educated. The biggest hazards I have encountered on the trail come not from cyclists going fast, but from people doing incredibly dumb things. Stopping in the shade of the underpasses, walkers taking up the entire path, “pod-zombies” that cannot hear you announcing your approach and passing and general inconsideration for others.

Walkers should never walk more than two abreast.

Cyclists should obey the same rule and go to single file when meeting oncoming traffic.

Whether they are walking, running, or cycling, trail users should always remain as far right as they can so faster traffic can pass. This is just common sense and we are supposed to do this every day on the freeway. The bike path should be no different.

Equestrian users should be required to pick up their horse’s mess. Come on, you’re supposed to pick up after your dog because the poop washes into the streams and rivers. You can’t get much closer to the river than the SART and a horse craps a lot more than a dog. There are ways to do it; you can diaper your horse.

With all due respect; why not make limitations that are reasonable and people will comply with? 10 mph is ridiculous and if you manage somehow to find manpower to enforce this, you will have effectively ruined the SART for what it was originally intended; a bicycle path. I will take surface streets, they’re safer anyway.
Thank you for your time.

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From: Glenn

To whom it may concern:
I would like to voice my opinion of the newly posted 10 MPH limit for cyclists on the SART (Santa Ana River Trail).

That speed is ridiculously low for anyone riding the trail for cardio workout, or commuting to work, or even recreational use by cyclists on anything other than single speed beach cruisers.

Who is supposedly enforcing this new rule?

and it seems the speed signs are only posted at start and end points of the trail as far as I know.

I would urge you to REMOVE the speed limitations and focus on safe use instructions for the users of the trail... such as STAY TO THE RIGHT for walkers, joggers, runners, cyclists and equestrian riders! And understanding of the call "ON YOUR LEFT" meaning someone is passing you... do not move left!

I use the trail for both recreation on weekends and for cycle-commuting to work every week. a 10 mph limit will mean I (and many others) can't use the trail for efficient commuting. It means I have to ride more of the streets, incurring more risk riding with cars, riding a further, less direct and less efficient route, and have to deal with more stops at intersections and street crossings.

I want to urge you to REMOVE this ridiculous speed restriction and find other more reasonable solutions to multi-use traffic conflict on the SART rather than the "simple" solution of telling the cyclists to stay under 10 mph.

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The Santa Ana River Trail spans over 120 miles through Orange, Riverside and San Bernardino counties. The trail is one of the largest non-motorized social boulevards in the United States. It is utilized by thousands of school kids, workers, walkers, runners, bicyclists, horse riders, bird watchers and its parks and open spaces are social gathering places for kids, families and communities.  Email us your thoughts and idea how we can make the Santa Ana River Trail a safe and user-friendly community.